The day after his interview with Count Arakcheev, Prince Andrew spent the evening at Count Kochubey's.

He told the count of his interview with Sila Andreevich (Kochubey spoke of Arakcheev by that nickname with the same vague irony Prince Andrew had noticed in the Minister of War's anteroom).

"Mon cher, even in this case you can't do without Michael Mikhaylovich Speranski.

He manages everything.

I'll speak to him.